Happens that a group of coding people w/cool ideas (some of them professional programmers some of them hobbist programmers), pushing to innovate are rejected by the “leader”, on and on, over and over the code get’s rejected, because it’s not stylish, because it’s does_not_HONOR_the_code,
Yet theirs code does amazing usefull stuff and impressive, that the other code does not.
What the hence… are they suppose to do??…
Drink a coffee and watch star gate episode XII…

It’s all about reputation…BERYL, as a fork does not hurt anyone’s reputation…it honors the free software/libre software philoshopy,
why kneel down at all this idiosincrasy, like “Benovelent King” and nerdy burocratic’s….

Frankly there is too much paranoia going around…

Rock on BERYL!!!

First of all, in FOSS ideology forking is a _right_ otherwise why the hell distributing the source code if other people can’t do what they want with ? In the BSD community forking is not a proof of failure and doesn’t really hurt BSD FOSS (e.g FreeBSD/DragonflyBSD or NetBSD/OpenBSD) but in the GNU world we like the song “El pueblo unido jamás será vencido”
I think that forks can lead to pretty good programs, ok it may halve the developing power for a specific piece of software but if we let the theory of evolution do its job then the result could be a better code that should attract more developers.

keep it up beryl guys

…* Any communication with david at all. I may be mistaken but I think there is 3 emails on the Compiz ML from Quinn?…

hmm at novell.com there is a podcasting “breaking news”
here http://www.novell.com/podcast/Detailpage.jsp?id=99 (ogg and mp3), that also should answer some of your questions on Inter/feedback-communication.

About this stuff NOVELL cleary says that Compiz is intended to become the “one” Gnome Composite manager.. and David R. affirms that statement. (quote..”Compiz is the replacement for the regular Gnome WINDOW MANAGER”(Ted Heager Eric Quill…

So that raises the issue if this is should be the merge into a same project (felipe wrote about that).
David R states that it´s development is focused on Gnome (on the audio). he doesn´t speak much about why… however I pressume that his intentions are to get compiz to a level where it becomes non-argueable that Compiz is the Only and ONE composite manager for GNOME (KDE has some pretty fancy composite, whereas Gnome doesn´t priorize Composite),
@John…. ¿where XFCE users should run to?

I mean.. ¿I am being ingenous on asking this?…or David.R sees the fork as a a serious advantage to promote compiz .(specially where there are some gray spots) .

David.R never mentions any other DE. That might, be a rationale about why it shouldn´t be the same project hosted in the same svn.

@John Another miscellaneous that you should take under consideration…

Kristian writes about all the blame that the beryl team takes for nothing (faults don´t fall into the team),
Outreagous comments (vandalism or whatever?) is very common, in webs, and blogs where F*rk is written or Beryl or any other thing (picture, audio, whatever) …you might want a descriptive explanation by the developers…
I speak for myself as being Pis*d off, … deleting stuff on the WIKI and reading comments on blogs blames, flames, and reading about that issue/problem over the forum (not to mention the hackivism made on December over Beryl SQL)

@Others;
David. R in the audio .. does not to put under debate, avoids some relevant specifics about forking.
I recommend everyone to take some time on reading this

http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?RightToFork

I just want to conclude if under yours perspective the fork s*cks. That is not a valid reason for vandalism and hacking..

(In the other hand I am not entitled to speak as for the Beryl Project… so the devs, migth want to add real valuable commentary)

Cheers!

Bye!
Keep up the good work Beryl Team!